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Post by Beleg on May 18, 2004 17:57:40 GMT -5
As do I
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Post by Elfhelm on May 18, 2004 17:59:50 GMT -5
Oh ok thanks Aldawen. ;D I wusnt really sure.
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Post by Caprix on May 19, 2004 15:18:41 GMT -5
only the thought of seeing them as a brother of some kind makes me shiver.
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Post by Aladwen on May 21, 2004 15:36:06 GMT -5
Your welcome, Elfhelm.
[glow=white,2,300]Aladwen[/glow]
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Post by Elfhelm on May 24, 2004 18:37:55 GMT -5
So how many ages ago was it that they were elves???
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Post by Caprix on May 25, 2004 13:02:12 GMT -5
many if you look at their faces, lol I don't really know but I am able to look it up if you want me to.
but it is before the beginning of the first age of the sun.
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Post by Beleg on May 25, 2004 17:57:20 GMT -5
Not all orcs are decenden'ts of elves. I read the Silmirilion and it said that most of those orcs were killed in war and only a group survived into the deepest delves of Angband.
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Post by Caprix on May 26, 2004 0:36:37 GMT -5
are those orcs stronger than regular orcs then? or did the orcs of today come fort out of them?
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Post by Aladwen on May 26, 2004 9:19:50 GMT -5
I thought when Angband was rebuilt after Morgoth's return, the orcs once again began to multiply, because they were respawning in the pits of Angband and such. Then through time after Morgoth's downfall they spread out over Middle Earth and hid in places like the Misty Mountians. Around the Third Age, when Sauron was growing in power and looking for the Ring orcs began to multiply again. So originally all orcs are descendants of elves from long ago.
Remember: Evil cannot create, but only manipulate and mock that of other creations.
[glow=white,2,300]Aladwen[/glow]
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Post by Elfhelm on May 26, 2004 10:35:39 GMT -5
Atta gurl Aldawen way to step up.
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Post by Caprix on May 26, 2004 11:12:05 GMT -5
Thank you for the information Aladwen Strange that something like us is able to turn into something like an Orc. It is a pity.
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Post by Elfhelm on May 26, 2004 11:22:34 GMT -5
Yup yup, its a shame that we are related to them.
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Post by Aladwen on May 30, 2004 18:36:34 GMT -5
It is a pity that orcs are of manipulated elves, and strange. It is strange how evil was "born". It was mostly just because Morgoth had a little too much pride, and out of that evil came forth into existence. Everything was perfect before then because evil did not exist. I wonder, can anything ever be perfect for eternity? I thought it was a sort of interesting , and I was wondering what you think. If you never read the Silmarillion, or don't know much about the Ainur and Eru, you probably have no clue what I'm talking about, but if you do understand, what are your thoughts?
[glow=white,2,300]Aladwen[/glow]
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Post by Caprix on May 31, 2004 1:17:57 GMT -5
I have just started to read the Silmarillion in English. It is the first time I read it though, but I read it whit pleasure and am happy that I have finally started to read in it. Melkor has indeed too much pride, which is following me because he taught of himself higher than the other 14 Valar. Though he maybe had a little bit of all of Eru's gifts, he was jealous for the other Valar were together o so much better. And it is pretty logical that Melkor went on another path than the others, frustration struck him and he was above all jealous on Eru, for creating the Elves and Humans. I think he wanted to create a Valar of his own, but since he had no power to create he had to manipulate. And he chose Elves, the bastard!!!
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Post by Aladwen on Jun 1, 2004 14:07:51 GMT -5
Well said, Caprix. Yes, he was jealous of Eru because of his power to create. It is sad that of all creations, elves he chose to manipulate. Anyway, I am glad to hear that you are reading the Silmarillion, it is a wonderful book.
[glow=white,2,300]Aladwen[/glow]
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